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		<title>I did it again: damn you ATI!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this post only about six months ago I berated myself for buying an ATI-chipset graphics card for use in a Linux system.&#160;&#160;I titled that post &#8220;Why I probably will never buy ATI again&#8230;&#8221;, as if I knew that I&#8217;d make the same mistake again.&#160;&#160;Sure enough&#8230; I had problems with my MythTV frontend playing particular [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://veejoe.net/?eid=351" title="06:41PM May 23, 2007 - Crossed Wires: Why I'll probably never buy ATI again (and shouldn't have this time anyway)">this post</a> only about six months ago I berated myself for buying an ATI-chipset graphics card for use in a Linux system.&nbsp;&nbsp;I titled that post &#8220;Why I <i>probably</i> will never buy ATI again&#8230;&#8221;, as if I knew that I&#8217;d make the same mistake again.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sure enough&#8230;</p>
<p>I had problems with my MythTV frontend playing particular recordings; I eventually worked out that it was HD recordings it couldn&#8217;t manage (this helped me discover the switch to HD of a previously SD stream coming out of Ten).&nbsp;&nbsp;I figured that a swap of hardware under the frontend would be nice, to get a better CPU platform and better output capability under it.&nbsp;&nbsp;I went shopping at my local friendly poota-shop&#8217;s website, and came up with a couple of contenders.</p>
<p>Looking at their site (and at the ASUS site), most of the integrated-video boards I saw seemed to be using nVidia chips.&nbsp;&nbsp;Confident I was going to be making a sound decision, I set off to the store and ended up leaving with an <a href="http://www.asus.com.au/products.aspx?l1=3&#038;l2=101&#038;l3=496&#038;l4=0&#038;model=1585&#038;modelmenu=1">Asus M2A-VM HDMI</a> under my arm.&nbsp;&nbsp;The clincher was my need for a real S/PDIF output, which the M2A-VM board has on the little riser-card it uses to provide HDMI, S-Video and Component video out.</p>
<p>Some of you will already have seen my error.&nbsp;&nbsp;:)</p>
<p>The nVidia board with HDMI I had seen on the ASUS site was the M2<b>N</b>-VM HDMI.&nbsp;&nbsp;The M2<b>A</b>-VM HDMI is obviously an ATI chipset board.&nbsp;&nbsp;In my quest for S/PDIF, to save myself a few bucks for a header adapter, I <i>again</i> shot myself in the foot with the ATI bullet.</p>
<p>Sure enough, I had huge problems getting the thing to work.&nbsp;&nbsp;Frame rates in MythTV, no matter what I did, were abysmal.&nbsp;&nbsp;I tried installing Mythbuntu again to see if later drivers would help (compared to those on the existing Knoppmyth R5F1 build I am running), to no avail[1].</p>
<p>I was considering lumping it, and sitting on it until things catch up and I can make it work, but I think I&#8217;ll just go back to the store and try and switch it for either the M2N-VM DVI (no S/PDIF) or M2N-VM DH (this has onboard S/PDIF but also costs an extra AU$40 thanks to all the WiFi and other guff it comes with).&nbsp;&nbsp;Unfortunately the store doesn&#8217;t have the M2N-VM HDMI, which would let me keep the future capability for&nbsp;&nbsp;a HDMI-capable display, but by the time I look at needing HDMI I&#8217;m likely to be needing to replace the thing again anyway.</p>
<p>To add insult to injury, when I put the old MythTV frontend box back I used a low profile case which meant I had to leave out the old nVidia FX5200 it was running off and go with the onboard Via graphics.&nbsp;&nbsp;I had heard that some of the Via chips had MPEG2 smarts, and it seems to be true: this old box with what I thought was the crappy cheapo onboard graphics chip now seems to have no trouble with HD output to VGA.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>[1] Apparently some <strike>victims</strike>owners of the M2A-VM HDMI have had success downloading the very latest drivers directly from ATI rather than sticking with those provided by their distro.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I get time to give that a run I&#8217;ll report.</p>
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